tween blacks and whites,’ I said. ‘This is a universal problem,’ interjected Jabulani. ‘It exists between East and West; you name it. Mistrust seems to be a basic ingredient raging everwhere in the world community. I believe that each individual, black or white, has a responsibility towards the community as a whole. First of all, I, as an individual, must examine myself. What causes distrust and fear? When I mention fear, I speak of lack of trust. That mentality is being brought forward by people, who would not want to have anything to do with whites after liberation. For them, it is a matter of turning the entire country over into the hands of blacks. That is the “settle-the-scores” mentality of radicals and revolutionaries. This attitude actually amounts to oppression in reverse. Apartheid in reverse, if you want. We have got to reach a point in race relations by which we agree to disagree on certain matters. We have to come to a point at which we will reach a reasonable compromise.’
Then, Jabulani touched upon what he called ‘Godless leadership’ that was leading to rampant corruption in every black local institution. I countered that abysmally corrupt officials were to be found in all religiously-oriented government systems in the world, be they Christian or Marxist, or even in the Vatican itself. ‘Whether democratically-elected or dictatorially-appointed, people everywhere suffer from defunct thinking processes that lead to corrupt behaviour at all levels of society,’ I said. ‘Yes,’ replied Jabulani, ‘but the fact is that wherever there is a local black authority in South Africa, you will find corruption or attempted corruption. And, what you should also keep in mind is that these corruptors are the same people that tell us that we blacks must fight apartheid and white exploitation and oppression. Yet that same man, while he poses as a genuine freedom-fighter, is sleeping with every woman he can lay his hands on in the black community, effectively being an oppressor of his own wife and children. You eventually are faced with the crucial question: What kind of leadership do we South African blacks really have?’